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Ardith Hinton | Anton Shepelev | Dialect... 2. |
July 30, 2019 11:52 PM * |
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Hi again, Anton! This is a continuation of my previous message to you: AH> I have requested MODERN AMERICAN USAGE from the public AH> library. :-) AS> Make sure it is the original edition, because even the AS> most zelaus |zealous ("zeal" + "-ous", rhymes with "jealous" AS> descriptivists agree that later editors betrayed the AS> dead Fowler and ruined his dictionary. What I had in mind there was not FOWLER'S, but the work of an author from the US. Because I don't speak US English I saw little need for it until I became curious about why Americans do what they do with, e.g., "of" and thought I'd best consult a USAian expert.... :-) AS> But you can have some Fowler for free on Bartleby: AS> https://www.bartleby.com/116/ AS> [King's English] Ah... thankyou. I'd heard of it, but as yet I haven't read it. :-) AS> which, to me, has the advantage of being a coherent book That's what I enjoyed about Lynne Truss's book EATS, SHOOTS & LEAVES as well. It's a good read if one is simply open to new ideas.... :-) AS> instead of a set of disjoined articles in alphabetical AS> order. WRT disjointed articles in alphabetical order, I find it challenging at times to locate the information I need when somebody asks about a particular topic because I feel as if I'm searching a filing cabinet where unless you know what was going on in the secretary's mind you have no hope of finding anything. I don't give up very easily when I &/or one of my students really wants to know about something in particular, however... with the result that over the years I have honed my skill. Recently Dallas & I watched a series about Queen Victoria in which the actress said (when HM was 8 1/2 months pregnant & was not allowed, by the standards of the day, to do as she wished) said "I'm bored of this". At a similar stage I was reminded of people who had built a ship in the basement & wondered how they'd ever get it out... and when I asked Dallas to help with the vacuuming I got a new vacuum cleaner almost immediately. But when I exclaimed, "What... Queen Victoria wouldn't have said that!?" the 1998 edition of FOWLER'S confirmed my suspicion that "bored of" emerged well over a century later. :-)) AS> Some topics merely touched in MEU are expouned in great AS> deatail in "King's English". The chapter on "will" and AS> "shall" is a masterpiece (which I understood upon a fouth AS> re-reading :-). Perhaps I should refresh my memory in that regard. Although some of us probably learned about it at school, North Americans in general don't make a distinction between "will" and "shall". I think much of the power & sublety of the language is lost when folks try too hard to simplify or naturalize it. :-) AS> The usage of "shall" and "will" and "should" and "would" by AS> Agatha Christie and Anthony Hope is now much clearer to me. While I know very little about Anthony Hope, I think I know what you mean WRT Agatha Christie. She could speak volumes about a man by saying he was wearing spats & riding in a first-class railway compartment... in much the same way as the photograph I saw of her wearing pearls while eating breakfast on the patio of her country estate spoke volumes. When you understand the fine points of grammar &/or the upper-middle class customs of the day you'll understand far more than the kids whose chief ambition is to fit in with their age mates. :-Q --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+ * Origin: Wits' End, Vancouver CANADA (1:153/716) SEEN-BY: 104/57 106/201 116/18 123/140 124/5013 5014 5015 5016 5017 5018 SEEN-BY: 130/803 138/146 15/0 153/250 757 7715 16/101 19/33 36 218/700 222/2 SEEN-BY: 230/150 152 2320/105 240/1120 250/1 261/100 38 266/512 267/155 275/100 SEEN-BY: 282/1031 1056 291/1 111 31999/99 320/119 219 34/999 340/400 342/13 SEEN-BY: 3634/12 387/21 396/45 5020/1042 715 712/848 801/161 189 90/1 |
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