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 -=> spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-

 GD> True but most knew a trade, my Family came from Hamburg, Germany and
 GD> settled in Sand Lake / Averill Park, N.Y., in
 GD> Upstate New York, not f
 GD> from where I am now Schodack Landing, N.Y.

 DS> So what was the trade of those first immigrants from your family?

 GD> I am researching my family's history, but I do know that they were
 GD> Carpenter's - there is a house still standing today built overlooking
 GD> Crooked Lake of which is just outside of Averill Park, N.Y.

Good for them.  I still doubt that all of them had such a trade.  Many
of them were shareholders, making a meager living on the land.
 
 DS> There is no evidence that most of the current migrants are looking for a
 DS> handout.

 GD> You really don't understand the cost associated for housing,
 GD> health-care, education - the expense is enormous and it's not coming
 GD> from any of these people, it's the good old American Tax Payer footing
 GD> the bill.  

Once they get here, most are quite willing to work if allowed to.  Who
do you think picks those farm vegetables and fruits that you eat?  They
will pay taxes, they will pay into social security and medicare once
they are allowed to be documented.

 DS>  GD> Also in the crowd from Ellis Island was the Great
 DS>  GD> Grandfather to Dona
 DS>  GD> Trump and just look at what that family has been able to accompli$h.

BTW -- your quoting is messing up and makes it look like the above is
from me.  It is not.

 DS> And why can't that be true in the future for the immigrants from the
 DS> south?

 GD> They lack one very necessary ingredient, ambition. 
 
How on earth do you get that?  If they had no ambition, they would not
have made the journey.

 DS> Of course there are some criminals in the migration, but "many" is an
 DS> unsupported claim.  Almost all of them are seeking escape from the
 DS> conditions in their country of origin.

 GD> Tell Kate Steinle parents that, she was shot just walking down the
 GD> pier with her Father by a scumbag immigrant who was deported five
 GD> times. 

OK, that was one out of 100,000 plus.  It is not representative of the
hundreds of immigrants, no matter how much your supreme leader would
like you to believe.

 DS> As has been said many times, and some folks keep ignoring, much of that
 DS> "Dossier" has been substantiated by investigation.  None has been proven
 DS> false.

 GD> It has been proven false over and over again, it reads like a story
 GD> out of Penthouse magazine, you got to be pretty sick and twisted to
 GD> even write such a thing, but that is what hate and rage is all about. 

Show me any reputable article that proves any of it false.  As I said,
much of it has been proven, none has been disproven.  Plus -- you are
focusing on one salacious article out of many.  Do I believe that one --
not really.  But if it is true, you can bet that the Russians have a
tape to use as blackmail against Trump.

                               Dale Shipp
                  fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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