Hello Greg,

>LL>Trump claims he called off the attack on Iran 10 minutes before
>LL>he ordered it.  IOW, a fake attack that never happened.  He lied
>LL>about a lie, claiming two lies make a truth.

>I do not know what the hell you're talking about.

Did Trump order a military strike on Iran?  Nobody knows,
except Trump himself.  Did Trump call off a military strike
on Iran that he himself says he ordered?  Nobody knows, except
Trump himself.  Nobody has confirmed Trump did what he claimed.
We have only Trump's word, and nothing else.

>It's obvious you're trying to twist this into something and even trying to
> pull it inside out.

Not at all.  Trump has stated all of this publicly.

>Look it's like this, Trump said he didn't think it was proportionate, with
> what would be the projections of the loss of life vs with what already
> happened the downing of a U.S. drone.

We do not know if Trump ordered a military strike on Iran.
If he did not order a military strike, then obviosuly there
was no need to scratch or rescind the order, as such an order
never was given.

We only know what Trump has decided to tell us, even if what he
told us is a bunch of lies.  Nobody has confirmed or denied a thing.
People are free to believe whatever Trump says, no matter how long
his nose continues to grow.

>LL>The entire world knows Japan claimed the Trump administration lied
>LL>about what happened.  The evidence supports Japan's claim.

>Japan's claim?

Japan showed evidence that whatever hit the cargo ships was some
kind of projectile, most likely a torpedo.  That negates what the
US has been claiming.

>I don't think they are too happy that their ship was on fire, hit by mines
> or missles as Dale has mentioned, whatever it was, they did not do this to
> themselves.

Iran claims it was not responsible for what happened.
There is no evidence showing that Iran was the culprit.
The Trump administration can claim whatever it wants,
but without solid evidence to back up its claims, its
claims remain unsupported and unsubstantiated.

>Iran is playing a very dangerous game;

Iran signed a deal with six nations, including the USA, to stop
processing fuel to enrich uranium that would be esssential to make
nuclear weapons.   Iran has been in compliance, and the deal was
working.  Until Trump decided to blow it all up by walking away.

Why did Trump do what he did?  His stated reason was to keep
Iran from getting or making nuclear weapons.  So what do you expect
the Iranians to do now that Trump has torn up the deal?

>eluding themselves as the protectors of the straight, then determining who
> is allowed save passage and who is not.

The Iranian border extends a few miles into the Persian Gulf
and Strait of Hormuz.  Just as the US border extends a few miles
off its coast in the Atlantic, Pacific, and Gulf of Mexico.

>They are the gatekeepers of nothing because these are international waters.

International waters are well off the coast of Iran.

>They have no such permission or authorization to control by any means who
> passes through the straight.

Iran does not need any other country's permission to pass through
the Strait of Hormuz.

>LL>Afghans are still in Afghanistan.
>LL>Iraqis are still in Iraq.
>LL>Syrians are still in Syria.
>LL>Vietnamese are still in Vietnam.
>LL>Koreans are still in Korea.

>Are you done? ok.

Iranians are still in Iran, long after the Shah lost his peacock
throne (which we gave him).  Why should Iranians be forced to give
up the land they love?  It is their land to do with what they want.

>Of course these people are still in their respective countries,

The Iraqi people did not care much for Saddam Hussein.  But after
the US invaded, Iraqis united to defend their homeland from those
who had invaded their land.  After Saddam Hussein was captured,
and later hanged, Iraqis considered him a martyr, a holy man for
Muslims everywhere.

Today Iraq has a Shiite strongman rather than a Sunni strongman.
But the only real difference between a Shiite strongman and a Sunni
strongman is kind of like the difference between a Catholic and
a Protestant, as both believe in the same holy cause.

So what did the US win by invading Iraq?  The US installed a new
strongman to replace the old strongman.  That is essentially the
only difference.  Remember, we are infidels, and all Muslims have
been taught well as to what to do with infidels ...

>you make it sound very much like the mission of the U.S. was to commit
> genocide wherever the U.S. goes in the world.

When Clinton lied, nobody died.  When Bush lied, thousands died.
How many people do think will die when Trump lies?

>This is what you make it sounds like, the fact that these people still exist
> in their respective countries proves it was not our mission.

George W. Bush went to war based on false pretenses.
Donald J. Trump wants to go to war based on false pretenses.
You do see the connection?

GWB claimed "I know stockpiles of WMD exist in Iraq."  No such
"stockpiles of WMD" has ever been found.

Trump is claiming that Iran is trying to get or make nuclear weapons.
Even though the USA and five other nations had a deal with Iran that
was working, with Iran in full compliance.

The Iranian economy is in shambles.  Trump wants to impose further
sanctions on Iran, for no reason other than he can.  What do you
think the Iranians are going to do, with nothing left to lose?
They most certainly will not roll over and play dead.

>LL>Then why does Trump seek war with Iran?  Clearly it makes no sense.
>LL>But then, nothing makes sense with the Trump administration.

>Trump has said on more then one occasion that he does NOT want to go to war
> with Iran.

What Trump says and what Trump does are two very different things.

>So I have to ask you directly where are you reading or listening to this
> FAKE NEWS?

I cannot get into Trump's mind.  I doubt anybody can.
But here is my take as to what happened -

Trump had to break it (the six-nation deal with Iran) in order to
fix it.  Even though nothing was broken or in need of fixing.  Then
he decided to fix it by claiming to have ordered a military strike
on Iran, based on a false claim that Iran had shot down a drone in
international waters (the drone was over Iranian airspace), then
saving the day by rescinding the order he claimed to have given,
so that everybody would thank him for preventing a shooting war with
Iran.

>WW III will be WW II 2.0 fought over the same things as the previous one,
> Oil.

I don't know about WW III, but WW IV will be fought with sticks
and stones.  Not sure what folks will be fighting over in those days,
but I doubt it will be over oil.

>LL>Iran has the same right to international waters as does every other
>LL>country.  The USA has no special right to go wherever it wants, when
>LL>it wants.

>um, International means no country not Iran not the United States or any
> other country can infringe another country from using what is known as
> International waterways and / or airspace.

The US shot down an Iranian passenger airliner flying over
the Persian Gulf.  There was no question the airliner was flying
over international waters, with the US clearly at fault.  What
do you think Trump what have done had the Iranians mistakenly
shot down a US passenger airliner flying over the Persian Gulf?

>Just like International House of Pancakes -a lot of countries are
> represented.

And with no clear evidence showing Iran having been responsible
for what happened to those cargo ships, Trump has no case to go
to war.

>The French crape is not conspiring with its nearest ally French Toast to
> muscle out the Belgian Waffle from being brought to the table.

Belgian Waffles, Kentucky Fried Chicken, mixed together and topped
with syrup, is sacrilege.  Ruins your taste buds forever ...

--Lee

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