>  MP> Any stats I have seen would indicate that the percentage for the
 >  MP> illegal males (and non-white males in general) is higher.

 > I'd be happy for you to share those stats with us -- including the
 > source for them.


https://crime-data-explorer.fr.cloud.gov

That is an FBI site.  I found numbers from 2017 there.

Poked around on here and, if only on here, I can find data that supports your
idea that most violent criminals are white males... 46% (176,967) vs. 44% black
(168,038), with the remainder of the 382,181 (37,176) being unknown, Asians, or
native Americans, Alaskans, or Hawaiians.  

Ironically, they don't include "hispanic or latino" by itself like they do
Asians and natives?  You can also find another tab where it says most violent
criminals are non-hispanic.  I found that tab interesting, though, because it
is missing just under 200,000 cases that were reported on the black vs. white
vs. everything but hispanic tab.  I also found through poking around that
"hispanics" can be counted as white or black or eny of the other categories
from the original page, which throws any direct comparison off, and throws any
black-only and white-only numbers off.

So Dale right, white man bad!

But wait... that is the percentage total of all violent criminals, not of the
total population.

So, let's poke around on the US Census website:

www.census.gov/quickfacts

There are 327,167,434 persons in the USA, per the Census.
60.7%  report as being white only = 222,870,632
13.4%  report as being black only = 43,840,436
10%    report as being not black and not white, only, or mixed = 32,716,744
18.1%  report as hispanic or latino = 59,217,306  

(but they give no "hispanic/latino only" number here, either, like they do for
every other race and ethnicity listed... how odd... and they note that this
group is also included in the other numbers, just like on the FBI site)

The math above, to convert the total number of people reporting a
race/ethincity on the census from a percentage to a total number is mine, so
feel free to work it out yourself. I also added up the "not black and not
white, only, or mixed" percentage as one, so check that also if you like. 

So, using the numbers from the FBI crime site against the Census Bureau
numbers:

White Violent Criminals as a percentage of Total White People in the US:
White Violent Criminals / Total White People = percentage

176,967 / 222,870,632 = 0.07% of whites committed violent crime in 2017.

Black Violent Criminals as a percentage of Total Black People in the US:
Black Violent Criminals / Total Black People = percentage

168,038 / 43,840,436 = 0.38% of blacks committed violent crime in 2017.

Total non-white VCs as a percentage of Total non-White people in the US:
non-white VCs / non-white Total = percentage

168,038 + 37,176 / 43840436 + 32716744 = 0.27% of non-whites committed violent
crime in 2017.

That is not really fair because Hispanics and Latinos are included in the White
and Black FBI crime numbers, and there are no "Latino-only" numbers to compare
to on the census site, but it does prove at least a part what I said above:

The percentage of non-whites who will commit a violent crime is indeed higher
than the percentage of whites who do so (at least, in 2017).

As for illegal aliens commiting violent crime vs. whites who do so, my brief
search of the Internet shows it is difficult to do so because (1)( No one seems
to like counting latinos (legal or otherwise) as "latino-only" as they do
people of other races and ethnicities; (2) being mostly undocumented, no one
seems to know how many illegal aliens (latino or otherwise) there are in the
USA; and (3) with illegal on illegal crime, the crime often goes unreported due
to fear of reprisals from immigration officials.

So, I guess we can go on believing what we both want regarding illegal aliens
and violent crime.  But the percentage of non-whites is indeed higher... nearly
4 times so.

Mike
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