Hello Greg,

>ml>no, i'm not trying to make it personal... i'm trying to understand why
>ml>you have such a hatred of anything that isn't just like you... you
>ml>accuse "them" of having already broken a law when you have no idea if
>ml>they have or not... you paint with a monstrously large brush...
>
>Let me start out by stating I have nothing against you or anyone even if
> they disagree with me. You and I have more in common then you realize.

I have a lot against those who seek to do harm to others.  But
aside from those few, enjoy political discourse with all.

>I am a conservative,

The views you have expressed in FidoNet are far from what
conservatives believe.

>if you try to understand what is important to such a person with a
> conservative mindset, then things would be abundantly clear.

"The Conservative Sensibility", by George Will.  That would be
a good place for you to start.

>There would be no more questions or even the slightest confusion.
>Everything that I have said on the matter would be in focus.

Children learn how to play Simon Says at a very early age.
Some play it well, others play it poorly.  But most children
learn very quickly it is nothing but a fool's game.  Which
is why most children lose interest within a few days, if not
hours.

>You suggest that I paint with a monstrously large brush?

Not me.  Never said that.  Paint By Numbers never was my kind of game.

>Do you know or care of the enormous cost that is associated and the problems
> that are created with this issue.

What cost?  Those who are seeking asylum have nothing but the
clothes on their backs.  They have committed no crimes, and are
trying their best to survive.  Denying people their basic rights
is to deny them their own humanity.  Is that who you are or want
to be?  It is not who most Americans are, or want to be.  We are
better than that, as individuals and a people.

>Wanna come to the U.S. give yourself and your family a better life, better
> then ever before. Great, then go about it legally, get in line and start
> the process.

Applying for political asylum is part of the process.  Denying
people that basic right is un-American.

Applying for citizenship is part of the process.  The USA has
a chain immigration policy, allowing those who have become citizens
to sponsor their loved ones to come here and do the same.  Which is
exactly what Melania Trump did, becoming a citizen, then sponsoring
her own parents.

>but they don't want to do this,

Immigrants are going through the process, as they have for decades.

>they would rather but the line and sneak in.

Some have tried to sneak in, but those numbers continue to drop.
Thanks to better immigration control by the Obama administration.

>That is why I feel the way I do, as it is a violation of the
>sovereignty of the United States of America.

All Americans are in favor of border control.  Except for a small
handful, such as Bill Gates, who would prefer letting everybody in.

>Furthermore a whole host of emotions get applied in the process as being
> untrustworthy, someone that does not care to follow the rules.

Mr Spock would take issue with that, understanding it is a human
condition to get emotional.  But he was Vulcan, except in rare moments
of ecstacy when on a certain planet ...

>I do not understand why I should be compassionate to such people, and I do
> not understand why the left has such love for such people.

George W. Bush described himself as being a "compassionate
conservative".  While I disagreed with some of his policies,
he did show compassion towards others.  Which is something
I cannot say about the current occupant of the White House.

>The left wishes to exploit them for political means,

Everything man does (as individuals and as a group) is political.

>they don't really give a rats ass about them,

We are a nation of immigrants.  Regardless of party affiliation.

>they see them as means to power and for maintaining power.

If the USA was to completely isolate itself, allowing no immigration,
what do you think would be the end result?  The population would go
into sharp decline, and the elderly would die off to the point there
would be too few people around for the USA to maintain its status
as a superpower.

Russia has this problem, and is in dire straits.  Which is one
of the reasons why Vladimir Putin chose to invade Crimea and annex
it as part of Russia.  And also try to do the same with other parts
of Ukraine.  What other illegal acts will he do in order to keep
his empire from falling apart?

China is also having the same problem as Russia.  But is trying
to use diplomacy rather than military force to get its way.  With
China, it is a case of too many horny men with not enough women
to go around.  This was a by-product of its one child per family
policy.  Most parents wanted a baby boy.  If ultrasound revealed
it would be a baby girl, the couple would abort and give it another
try.  Hence, too many baby boys and not enough baby girls.

Russia and China made a deal.  Chinese could immigrate to Siberia
and make all the babies they wanted.  Other Chinese could look
elsewhere in Asia for new mates, and then find a new place to stay.

A growing fad among the Chinese is for a couple to go to the USA,
have a baby, then fly back to China.  That way, their child is an
American citizen, and the family can relocate to the USA anytime
they want.

All this is legal.  Without ever having to cross the border by
sneaking in.  Usually by purchasing a plane ticket, then flying
to their destination of choice.

>I hate almost no one, certainly not anyone within the fidonet community.

A shared interest, among a community of sysops and others.

>I do have unremarkable hatred for Nancy Pelosi,

She is doing the job she was hired to do.  Just as Bob Mueller
did the job he was hired to do.  I am not hateful of either of them.
Thankful for the job(s) they did, and continue to do.  They both
chose to do this.  To work for us (we the people).

>as her continued actions speak many hundreds of times as not being
> productive.

Her constituents seem to be happy, having elected her to office
for several terms.  The House (not just her caucus) seems to be happy,
having elected her as Speaker (multiple times).

>In fact they are counterproductive to getting anything done within the
> country that would be known as a accomplishment.

As an elected member of the House, she has a constitutional duty
of oversight.  As elected Speaker, she has an even higher obligation
to do the job she was elected to do.

Members of Congress who act as a rubber stamp for what the President
wants to do are not doing their jobs.  Their job is supposed to be to
work for us (we the people) - not their beloved dipshit in chief.

--Lee

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