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Message   Alexander Koryagin    Anton Shepelev   rules of this echo   December 17, 2018
 8:20 AM *  

Hi, Anton Shepelev!
I read your message from 14.12.2018 16:35

 AK>>>> BTW, it is a hummer time to ask here where is the difference
 AK>>>> between "you are welcomed" and "you are welcome"?
 AS>>> The one relates the actual action of welcoming and the other a
 AS>>> potential readiness thereto. Compare the following sentences:
 AK>> === "The first one relates to..."  === and the other is
 AK>> a potential readiness...

 AS> Even though my sentence may be ungrammatical, I disagree with your
 AS> corrections. I did mean the transitive form of "relate", and elided
 AS> it in the second clause, cf. Roger Bacon's "Reading maketh a full
 AS> man, conference a ready man, and writing an exact man."

IMHO, a transitive form of the verb "relate" also demands for "to", only later.
 For instance:

"The report seeks to relate the rise in crime _to_ an increase in
unemployment."
or
"He later related the whole story _TO_ me."

 AK>> I also collected some information on this issue.
 AK>> [...]
 AK>> The adjective "welcome" is actually a _property_ of a person.

 AS> On the contrary, it denotes the attude of another party toward that
 AS> person.

 AK>> As an adjective "welcome" means that a person (who is welcome) is
 AK>> an embodiment of greeting.
 AS> Not necessarily.
 AK>> IMHO, "You are welcomed" is legal, means the same, but more
 AK>> formal.

 AS> Certainly not. It means somebody has welcomed me, regardless of my
 AS> amiability.

Well, we will wait for someone from other side of the pond. ;-) IMHO, we should
 look into the word itself. Formerly, it consisted of two words: "well" and
"come".  So, now we see how the past participle "come" forms the ending of word
 "wel(l)come". It is only later people forgot it and began speak "welcomed".
"Come" was eaten and became a part of the word.


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 AK>> It's this adjectival sense that we use when we say "You're
 AK>> welcome" in reply to "Thank you."
 AS> Indeed, and "welcomed" would be rather awkward!

I don't think that it would something against English. I still believe "You are
 welcomed" and "You are welcome" mean approximately the same.

 AK>> Dictionaries don't usually define the adjective "welcome" in this
 AK>> idiomatic usage. The Oxford English Dictionary, for example,
 AK>> describes "You're welcome" simply as "a polite formula used in
 AK>> response to an expression of thanks."
 AS> Another good alternative interpretation of this "welcome",
 AS> because "come" is also the perfect aspect of "to come".

Looks like I said above, but "come" is not the perfect aspect, but the past
participle -- the perfect aspect is the construction like "have come".

 AS> P.S.: Your English seems is improving

I could also play chess well, but it is easy for me to overlook

If you use a spellchecker you will be able to improve yours, too. ;-)

Bye, Anton!
Alexander Koryagin
english_tutor 2018

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