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Roy Witt | Ardith Hinton | Ha-ha again(2) |
July 6, 2018 10:01 PM * |
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Brer Ardith Hinton wrote to Brer Roy Witt about Ha-ha again(2): AH> Hi, Roy! Recently you wrote in a message to Ardith Hinton: RW>> Brer Ardith Hinton wrote to Brer Paul Quinn AH> ^^^^ ^^^^ AH> I see you've changed your spelling of this word, whether AH> by accident or by design... so I thought a bit of clarification might AH> be in order. It was by design and from my early days in Fidonet. It is taken from a West African story about Br'er Rabbit and his friends, Br'er Fox, Br'er Bear and a Tar Baby, narrated by a black slave named Uncle Remus in a Disney Classic called "Song Of The South". You can find an illustrated history of the origins of the story here: http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Br%... AH> Essentially it's a dialectical variation & contraction of AH> "brother". The apostrophe is used, as it is in other contractions, to AH> indicate where there has been an omission of one or more letters: AH> brother --> br[oth]er --> br'er True. AH> Many people do spell it without the apostrophe nowadays AH> though. AH> :-) Yeup. AH>>> hyphenated word regarded by the authors of my OXFORD AH>>> CANADIAN DICTIONARY as North American & Australian slang: AH>>> widow-maker. AH> I noticed the same spelling in MERRIAM-WEBSTER ONLINE just AH> now, BTW. Widowmaker is defined as: Widow maker or widowmaker is a somewhat facetious term used for something that is considered to present a lethal hazard to, predominantly, men, and thus, by taking their lives, may make their wives become widows. in the online dictionary that I use, TheFreeDictionary.com It has more than a dictionary and thesaurus, it also includes a Medical Legal and Financial dictionary, including Acronyms, Idioms and an Encyclopedia... If you look up widow-maker, you're referred to the origin and history of Pecos Pete and his horse, Widow-Maker. Which is an interesting piece if there ever was one. Pecos Pete's; "His horse, Widow-Maker (also called Lightning), was so named because no other man could ride him and live." RW>> The reality is that a hyphen between two words (two RW>> adjectives?) modifys the noun that comes after them. AH> Sometimes we use hyphenated words as modifiers regardless AH> of whether or not the components are listed in the dictionary as AH> adjectives. You've shown us how terms like "widow-maker" and AH> "twin-engine" can be used that way. But we can do it with other AH> parts of speech too. I've seen things like "oft-wed movie actress AH> Gloria Glamorpuss" used in Hollywood journalese over the years.... AH> :-) 8^) I wouldn't know about that, as I don't read such, errr, journals. RW>> OTH, if the same words came after the noun; i.e. The RW>> B-26 Maruader was a WW2 twin-engine medium bomber, RW>> nick-named the widow maker - AH> There's another example of the above... "B-26". Living across the border from Seattle, you should know that 'B-26' is a model designator for a bomber airplane made by The Boeing Company during WW2. The B indicates 'Bomber' and the number 26 is the model number. i.e. A B-29 dropped Little Boy (Atomic Bomb) over Hiroshima, Japan on August 6, 1945. AH> But IMHO a nickname may be a different matter. Once it has achieved AH> the status of a Proper Noun it could conceivably retain the same AH> spelling for a long time. If whoever came up with the name used two AH> words that's how it's spelled AFAIC. OK. AH> I've met kids with given names which suggest their parents didn't AH> know the standard spellings, and who are stuck with what's recorded AH> on their birth certificate until they're old enough to have it AH> legally changed. I would have preferred to grow up using the variation of my middle name, rather than Roy. Those were confusing times as my father and grandfather both had the same name that they gave me. My mother, who wanted to differentiate between us, called me Jackie or Jack, while my dad was referred to as Junior, leaving my grandfather with the distinction of using Roy. AH> Other folks may have surnames they continue to spell the same way AH> their ancestors did four hundred years ago, although they leave out AH> half the syllables when they say them aloud. Some even distort the name to their preference. Bret Favre (Green Bay Packers) does this by pronouncing the 'r' before the 'v'...I call it as I see it and pronounce it as favor...i.e. we're not in France. AH> How would you pronounce "Worcestershire sauce"? IIRC you omit two AH> syllables, while I omit one.... ;-) I call it 'Steak Sauce!' because it's a whole lot better than A-1... RW>> Which only goes to prove that you can slip this kind RW>> of stuff into any sentence in any which way that you RW>> please, as most native English speakers won't know RW>> the difference. 8^) AH> Uh-huh. When I checked the Internet +/- 7,530,000 entries AH> appeared. I'm sure you'll forgive me for not reading all of them... AH> but in terms of sheer numbers "widowmaker" (one word) seems to come AH> out ahead. It's the name e.g. of a weapon, a cocktail lounge, a rock AH> band or something of the sort, a movie, and a series of books. AH> They're in the first forty entries here & our modem buddies overseas AH> may be grateful they see fewer ads for such things! Apart from that AH> I found only one example similar to AH> yours: a doctor describes a specific variety of arterial blockage & AH> calls it the widow maker (two words)... a patient writes about his AH> widow-maker heart attack. In general, however, I'm inclined to agree AH> with your assessment of the signal-to-noise ratio in the common AH> parlance. :-)) That's a fact too. Some people get stuck in a rut and even when it is pointed out to them that what they're saying is incorrect, they continue to 'have it their way'... i.e. your, you're comes to mind. R\%/itt - K5RXT Reminder: "On Friday September 8th 2006, Mike Godwin's 16 year experiment was concluded and Godwin's Law was officially repealed by a MAJORITY vote among millions of individuals." http://repealgodwin.tripod.com/ --- GoldED+/W32 1.1.5-31012 --- D'Bridge 3.92 * Origin: Lone-Star BBS - San Antonio, Texas - USA (1:387/22) |
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