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From: "alexander koryagin" <koryagin@erec.ru>

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Hi, Ardith Hinton! How are you?
on Tuesday, 15 of May, I read your message to alexander koryagin
about "Program Quoter - Grammatical Notes"

 ak>> "Re: Program Quoter - you are very welcomed"

 AH> "You're welcome" is a standard reply in English when somebody has  said
 AH> "Thank you". In this case "welcome" functions as an adjective.  Another
 AH> example:  "You're welcome to ask about anything you  didn't  understand
 AH> here."

 AH> The same word is also used as a noun...  e.g.  "Ivan  gave  us  a  warm
 AH> welcome when we arrived on his doorstep unexpectedly."

 AH> The same word is also used as a  verb...  e.g.  "Ivan  and  his  family
 AH> welcomed us to their home." Because participles  are  often  used  with
 AH> linking verbs in  English  (e.g.  "I'm  delighted  to  hear  that!"  I
 AH> understood what you meant,  but it's not quite what native speakers  of
 AH> English are accustomed to.

Yeah,  I thought then that I should have written "you are welcome",  but  it
was too late.  Anyway it is interesting to know that some verbs in English
actually don't have the form of the  past  participle.   Well,  indeed,  a
student can think that the verb "to welcome" has participle "welcomed":  "He
welcomed me to the party.  I liked to be welcomed.  I am welcomed."  And  it
strange that the man that invited me thinks  that  I  am  welcome,  and  not
welcomed. ;-)

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 ak>> We used it in books and etc.

 AH> Since "et cetera" means "and the rest" in Latin & in English, the
 AH> addition of another "and" is redundant.

 AH> Many native speakers make the same error....: - )

And all this makes another rule about using a comma before etc.

http://blog.editage.com/taxonomy/term/349
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In some research papers, I have seen that there is no comma before etc. When
is a comma used before etc.?

A comma is used before etc. when it follows more than one listed item, for
example, rivers, lakes, streams, etc. (comma used) but rivers etc. (no comma
used).
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But English Punctuation says that there is no  comma  before  "and"  in  the
list.  But you say that "etc" includes a  comma  inside.  So,  probably,  we
(theoretically) should never use a comma before "etc." 


[...A silent fool is counted wise]
Bye Ardith!
Alexander (yAlexKo[]yandex.ru) + 2:5020/2140.91
fido7.english-tutor 2012 



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