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From: "alexander koryagin" <koryagin@erec.ru>

Hi, Anatoliy Kovalenko! How are you?
on Friday, 13 of April, I read your message to alexander koryagin
about "Re: Program Quoter - you are very welcomed"

 ak>> Well, now look in which way many programs show your message. For
 ak>> instance, I use Fidolook -- a special, very cool sofware to
 ak>> write/read messages for Fidonet/Usenet.
 ak>> http://savepic.su/1654459.htm

 AK> Not as cool as you say. I'm too lazy to count now, but I suppose,
 AK> in your screenshot, the program splits the long paragraph to 255
 AK> chars lines because the programmer decided to use easy solutions
 AK> (as you know, 255 chars make a standard string type in most
 AK> programming languages). The fact that the programmer didn't know
 AK> how to store and process more than 255 chars doesn't mean that long
 AK> text lines shouldn't be used. As you can see, the programmer of
 AK> FTNed found a good solution and I never have any problems with
 AK> wrapping.

Mosilla Thunderbird NNTP client does the same. Too many people affected badly.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2729127/quoter1.png

All these NNTP clients make good quoting while answering, but they show it
badly when you just read the messages with long quoted paragraph.

 ak>> Wrapping? But you told me a few days ago that your screen too wide
 ak>> for a formatted text. 

 AK> But it's my right to decrease window if I want to!

Yes! And you won't complain than that my formatted text is too narrow. 

 AK> For example, if I don't know Albanian, I can use one half of the
 AK> screen for the Albanian message window and the other half for the
 AK> dictionary window (I use Lingvo, it's a good dictionary). If I
 AK> reduce the window twice, its width is already less than 80 chars,
 AK> and your format becomes horribly distorted!

Well... it is the reason. But... when you write a usual text, for instance in
MWord, you have the same "problem". A normal text is not format-flowed. At
least it must not be done such by a writer himself. A human must think about
contents, but not about how to preserve a long line paragraph. Also, it is
usual that you cannot have all programs visible simultaneously. That's why all
dictionaries work as pop-up software. A help program pops up, you look what you
 want and then the help program went behind your editor, and you again see all
the text in a normal size window.

But if you have a display of a big width you can set up a small size font, and
the standard 80 symbols width. In this case you will be able to run another
program and both the programs will be visible on the display together.

 ak>> Any person writes messages using short lines, but before sending
 ak>> your editor UNFORMATS these short lines paragraphs into one long
 ak>> line paragraphs and send it in the form of a single line. The
 AK> program does not pay attention on your "/r/n".

 AK> I don't understand this idea. In this case all #13#10 would be
 AK> deleted, and there would be no paragraphs at all, but see:

 AK> -----Beginning of the citation-----
 AK> Par1
 AK> Par2
 AK> Par3
 AK> -----The end of the citation-----

 AK> Nothing is deleted! I write long lines from the beginning, and the
 AK> software saves long lines and doesn't delete my line breaks!

I think you are right - most programs do not do such a thing. But anyway, it is
 strange to demand from the person to write long line paragraphs. Suppose, he
used to type texts on his typewriter, e-mail client, word processor and press
Enter every line.

 AK> Maybe it's your Fidolook deletes something, I don't know. The
 AK> problem with deleting ALL #13#10 is that you will get only one
 AK> paragraph, but people usually divide long texts to many paragraphs
 AK> according to sense, and you will not be able to restore these
 AK> paragraphs backwards.

Why, there is a standard that paragraphs must be separated by a empty line. In
Russia we like very much so called "red paragraphs" where paragraphs are put
without a empty line, but every paragraph begins with 4-8 spaces.

 ak>> Windows does not require to use long paragraphs.

 AK> Yep, but if you put your text to Word and try to print it, you will
 AK> see that only half of the paper sheet is used:
 AK> http://savepic.su/1642199.htm

Well, but have you ever thought why a text page has 60-70 symbols? It is a
compromise between line's symbol number and the font size. Text letters are not
 too small and not too big. So if my page is too narrow it means it was printed
 with too small font. Increase the font size and you will have a standard text,
 easy to read.

If I had sent my message with single line paragraphs you could have done two
things. First - to print it with the small font and have 150 symbols per line.
But two long adjoining lines are poorly readable. Second - you can increase
your font and print it in the standard way 60 - 70 symbol per line.

Print this message as you did, with the small font and you'll see that it is
not good looking when one paragraphs are formatted (quoted ones) and the other
printed as long lines.

[...The wider our mugs the tighter our rows]
Bye Anatoliy!
Alexander (yAlexKo[]yandex.ru) + 2:5020/2140.91
fido7.english-tutor 2012 



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