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Message   alexander koryagin    Tim Richardson   Re: obamas gun fight   January 14, 2016
 10:25 AM *  

Hi, Tim Richardson!
I read your message from 13.01.2016 13:37

  ak>>>> It's easy - most Americans are afraid each other. So, no chance
  ak>>>> to live without guns. ;=)
  TR>>> Not true. Most Americans are watchful of their `government'.
  TR>>> And the main reason for the Second Amendment guaranteeing all
  TR>>> American citizens the right to keep and bear arms was to keep an
  TR>>> armed citizenry able to resist and overthrow a tyrannical
  TR>>> government.

  ak>> Small arms is useless for that purpose.
  TR> What makes you think all we've got is `small arms'?

If the army use tanks, bombers, satellite, drones, spying equipment 
where can buy it? If you catch a tank it will be destroyed by a bomber 
withing minutes.

  TR>>> to defend yourself against anyone who would do you harm or rob
  TR>>> you of your property.
  ak>> It is actual only in a country full of bandits. ;-) Watch
  ak>> carefully and shoot first! It's not a big distance from the wild
  ak>> West. It doesn't look as a civilized country, either.
  TR> We (at least *I*) don't care what it looks like to outsiders. We
  TR> get that kind of talk from a lot of foreigners; `we aren't
  TR> `civilized' '!

  TR> Yeah well... we like our guns, and we don't give a hoot in hell
  TR> what foreigners think about that.

Such thoughts are probably spoken not only by the foreigners. There are 
many Americans who think that if people do not feel themselves safe 
without feeling guns with their buttocks there is something very wrong 
in such a country.

  TR>>> Not all citizens are allowed to exercise that right, however.
  ak>> Who are not allowed? Is there a certain database of those who are
  ak>> not allowed?
  TR> Yes.
  TR> Convicted felons, some misdemeanor convictions, and those who have
  TR> been in mental institutions are usually caught in a background
  TR> check for a firearm purchase.

If a person hasn't been in a mental hospital during his life it doesn't 
mean he is healthy mentally. That is the way how nutcases acquire 
submachine guns.

<skipped>
  TR> So... the only persons allowed to carry loaded firearms in
  TR> California are cops or criminals. Cops carry all sorts of guns, and
  TR> criminals don't obey gun laws. So the common law-abiding citizen is
  TR> on their own.

Do you think it would be good if people also carry sabers and daggers? 
It is even less powerful weapon for self-defence than guns.

  TR>>> All the mass shootings that have occurred that get the democrats
  TR>>> hot about gun confiscation have pretty much occurred in `gun free
  TR>>> zones'.

  ak>> Do you think that teachers in school should keep his holster
  ak>> opened? ;-)

  TR> A large segment of Americans are ex-military of one sort or
  TR> another. I am a Vietnam veteran, have been in combat, and I know
  TR> when and when not to open fire.

In Vietnam American soldiers created rains of bullets without thinking 
to much. It was enough to hear a rustle behind the trees. ;)

<skipped>
  TR> People don't need cops or some other organization to `teach' them
  TR> firearm safety. I've been around weapons since my father first let
  TR> me try his 12 gauge when I about 11. I went through the Army, a
  TR> war, and many years living in states where handguns were commonly
  TR> carried by everyone. I've never shot anyone I didn't intend to
  TR> shoot, never had a firearm `accident', and never `went off the deep
  TR> end' with a gun.

Yes, it a cultural phenomena.

  TR> Here in the states I've used a handgun to prevent a few incidents,
  TR> take a few people into custody, and been deputized twice to aid
  TR> deputy sheriff's who were working alone in rural areas who needed
  TR> backup.

  TR> The vast majority of people this president is referring to when he
  TR> accuses us of `clinging to God and our guns' are just as
  TR> responsible and experienced with firearms as I try to be.

But anyway, allowing school teachers to have guns is a bad idea. ;=)

Bye, Tim!
Alexander Koryagin
fido7.debate 2016

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