-=> Quoting Michael Loo to Nancy Backus on 07-01-19  02:27 <=-

 >  ML> Of course there's no such thing as totally fatfree
 >  ML> meat unless one uses solvent on it, but I'll say that
 >  ML> anything under 10% fat tastes kind of weird at best.
 > I'll take your word for it... hadn't ever considered how one would get
 > totally fatfree meat, nor really why one would want to...  
 ML> Of course, there's the cultured animal protein that
 ML> people are talking about, which opens up the possibility
 ML> of fatfree meat in our blighted future.

That does sound rather blighted...  
 
 >  ML> on down the line. I frankly prefer at least a quarter fat,
 >  ML> up to (as some of you have seen) almost all fat. Except
 >  ML> raw, where lean is perhaps preferable. I never saw the
 >  ML> point of wagyu sashimi, for example.
 > Depends on how much one likes the taste of raw fat...?
 ML> I like the taste of it, but the texture can be a
 ML> bit much. Being curious, I looked it up and discovered
 ML> that the Ethiopians eat the raw fat separately - a
 ML> wrinkle that has not yet arrived in the restaurants
 ML> here in the US.

Do they grind or chop it, or just leave it in a chunk...?
 
 >  ML> For the longest time I preferred meat with a considerable
 >  ML> chew, so chuck was ideal for me, though round if raw, and
 >  ML> truth be told, there's seldom any kind of beef I'll turn down.
 > So I've noticed....  
 ML> Things like well-done burger I'd prefer to further
 ML> process, but my tolerances are otherwise pretty high.

I'm not so keen on over-done beef....
 
 >  >  ML> My mother would always take the fat and gristle with an 
 >  >  ML> air of self-abnegation, and it was a while before my 
 >  >  ML> sister and I discovered that those parts were at least 
 >  >  ML> as tasty as the sirloin and definitely more so than the
 >  >  ML> tenderloin, which at its best tastes sort of like liver
 >  >  ML> and at its worst tastes sort of like nothing.
 >  > Looks like your mother had at least that good inflence on you... 
 >  ML> Some good things, especially culinarily, but in other
 >  ML> arenas of life, mostly not so good.
 > And so you've related....
 ML> To be fair, you'll admit that I've also discussed the 
 ML> few good things she imparted.

True...  
 
 >  ML> I suspect that an honest lawyer will at least chuckle
 >  ML> at such, the same as most competent viola players will
 >  ML> snigger at viola jokes.
 > Probably...  
 >  ML> players, My bud Ella Lou (principal at Cape Ann and Symphony
 >  ML> by the Sea) was a huge fan and Susan Bill (principal at 
 >  ML> Cape Cod) a vocal foe. I seem to recall Patty McCarty was 
 >  ML> publicly against but would tell the occasional viola joke 
 >  ML> during our get-togethers, presumably when her students were 
 >  ML> being particularly irksome.
 > Depends on whether one is secure enough to laugh at perceptions... 
 ML> Yeah, but we're talking about people at the top of
 ML> their profession - Neubauer and Vernon being principals
 ML> at New York and Cleveland (or was it Chicago?) and McCarty
 ML> being the de facto principal (nominally Burt Fine was) in
 ML> Boston.

Being at the top of the profession doesn't guarantee feeling secure,
though.... 
 
 > I remember that when we'd hear the Baltimore Symphony broadcasts that
 > there used to be an almost regular supply of viola jokes, David Zinman
 > being, IIRC, a violist before becoming a conductor... He'd share them
 > with the announcer (who now has moved to announcing the Chicago Symphony
 > broadcasts)... And a very good friend was at one time the principal
 > violist at the RPO when they were still here.... She'd tell some of them
 > herself.... 
 ML> And I endorse them. We had a violist friend over a
 ML> few nights ago (Marcus Thompson's former stand partner
 ML> at Music and Art), and he brought another M&A alum along,
 ML> and we spent hours swilling cheap red wine and telling
 ML> viola jokes.

Context plays a part...  (g)

 >  >  ML> If you tot them up, the rule probably has more 
 >  >  ML> exceptions than adherents. Speaking of all these 
 >  >  ML> things, you know that whether something ends in 
 >  >  ML> -ent or -ant depends on the conjugation of the 
 >  >  ML> Latin original, with one signal exception, that 
 >  >  ML> being defendant, which evolved because not only 
 >  >  ML> are lawyers liars, they don't know their Latin.
 >  > Interesting theory.... 
 >  ML> That the spelling depends on the Latin conjugation?
 >  ML> That's demonstrated. That lawyers don't know what
 >  ML> they're talking about, that's demonstrated too.
 > The latter.... but, yes, true.... 
 ML> Funny thing is I've dated two of them.

So you know whereof you speak...  (G)

ttyl       neb

... I went to a seafood rave last week and pulled a mussel.

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