-=> Quoting Michael Loo to Nancy Backus on 06-24-19  12:33 <=-

 >  > I guess I wouldn't say I need the fat, but I certainly do enjoy
 >  > it... 
 >  ML> Insofar as anyone needs anything, I say I need the fat.
 >  ML> It's more the taste than anything else.
 > That's certainly the case for me with milk.... hadn't paid that much
 > attention to meat and fat...
 ML> Of course there's no such thing as totally fatfree
 ML> meat unless one uses solvent on it, but I'll say that
 ML> anything under 10% fat tastes kind of weird at best.

I'll take your word for it... hadn't ever considered how one would get
totally fatfree meat, nor really why one would want to...  

 ML> As the percentage of fat increases, the flavor
 ML> profiles change, and I'd be willing to guess that
 ML> people's preferences are farther along the line than 
 ML> they would think. My hypothesis is that if you think
 ML> you like 90-95, you probably really like 85-ish, and so
 ML> on down the line. I frankly prefer at least a quarter fat,
 ML> up to (as some of you have seen) almost all fat. Except
 ML> raw, where lean is perhaps preferable. I never saw the
 ML> point of wagyu sashimi, for example.

Depends on how much one likes the taste of raw fat...?
 
 >  ML> On special occasions when I was a kid we'd get a
 >  ML> porterhouse, and my father would go for the tenderloin,
 >  ML> and I'd ask for a piece of the "toughloin" and would
 >  ML> always be corrected for the neologism. We had one of
 >  ML> those ovens with the broiler unit beneath heating to
 >  ML> maybe 500F, so the meat sort of broiled and sort of
 >  ML> stewed, so the sirloin was actually kind of a toughloin.
 > And so, made perfect sense to call it such.... 
 ML> For the longest time I preferred meat with a considerable
 ML> chew, so chuck was ideal for me, though round if raw, and
 ML> truth be told, there's seldom any kind of beef I'll turn down.

So I've noticed....  
 
 >  ML> My mother would always take the fat and gristle with an 
 >  ML> air of self-abnegation, and it was a while before my 
 >  ML> sister and I discovered that those parts were at least 
 >  ML> as tasty as the sirloin and definitely more so than the
 >  ML> tenderloin, which at its best tastes sort of like liver
 >  ML> and at its worst tastes sort of like nothing.
 > Looks like your mother had at least that good inflence on you... 
 ML> Some good things, especially culinarily, but in other
 ML> arenas of life, mostly not so good.

And so you've related....
 
 >  ML> semantics. My views would hae been better reflected 
 >  ML> if Shakespeare had written First, we kill all the 
 >  ML> dishonest lawyers and leave ten or twenty honest
 >  ML> ones to prevent their extinction.
 > Reminds me of the tagline (which probably isn't on this computer) about
 > 90% of lawyers give the other 10% a bad name.... At one time in MEMORIES
 > we had a lawyer (presumably one of the good honest ones) as a regular
 > poster, so I was careful not to use my derogatory lawyer taglines...
 > generally still I avoid using them... snag them, still, though... 
 ML> I suspect that an honest lawyer will at least chuckle
 ML> at such, the same as most competent viola players will
 ML> snigger at viola jokes.

Probably...  

 ML> There was a bit of a debate in
 ML> the Journal of the American Viola Society in which people
 ML> lined up on one side or the other (I didn't participate,
 ML> being a sort of Gastarbeiter in that world). Among the
 ML> luminaries, I seem to recall Paul Neubauer being in favor
 ML> of them and Robert Vernon an implacable foe, though there
 ML> is a tiny chance I got them backwards. Of my friend viola
 ML> players, My bud Ella Lou (principal at Cape Ann and Symphony
 ML> by the Sea) was a huge fan and Susan Bill (principal at 
 ML> Cape Cod) a vocal foe. I seem to recall Patty McCarty was 
 ML> publicly against but would tell the occasional viola joke 
 ML> during our get-togethers, presumably when her students were 
 ML> being particularly irksome.

Depends on whether one is secure enough to laugh at perceptions...   I
remember that when we'd hear the Baltimore Symphony broadcasts that
there used to be an almost regular supply of viola jokes, David Zinman
being, IIRC, a violist before becoming a conductor... He'd share them
with the announcer (who now has moved to announcing the Chicago Symphony
broadcasts)... And a very good friend was at one time the principal
violist at the RPO when they were still here.... She'd tell some of them
herself.... 

 >  ML> If you tot them up, the rule probably has more 
 >  ML> exceptions than adherents. Speaking of all these 
 >  ML> things, you know that whether something ends in 
 >  ML> -ent or -ant depends on the conjugation of the 
 >  ML> Latin original, with one signal exception, that 
 >  ML> being defendant, which evolved because not only 
 >  ML> are lawyers liars, they don't know their Latin.
 > Interesting theory.... 
 ML> That the spelling depends on the Latin conjugation?
 ML> That's demonstrated. That lawyers don't know what
 ML> they're talking about, that's demonstrated too.

The latter.... but, yes, true.... 

ttyl      neb

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