-=> Quoting Michael Loo to Nancy Backus on 06-23-19  10:42 <=-

 > ML> The facts were there. People in and out of the business
 > ML> actively ignored them, but the closer one was to the action,
 > ML> the more the outrage. I knew of them from the Cleveland and
 > ML> Chicago days (having had friends and acquaintances in both
 > ML> circles) and was aghast when Levine was given jobs at the Met
 > ML> and the BSO despite overwhelming evidence and credible testimony.
 > Ah... so it does go way back, and still ignored by those who should have
 > known better... as you say, being blinded by what they perceived as
 > genius or at least great talent.... And I agree that even great genius
 > wouldn't excuse that sort of behaviour...
 ML> It was at one of those gigs where people would tape "child
 ML> molestor" up over the "music director" sign on his door. To
 ML> the best of my knowledge nobody was challenged, investigated,
 ML> or disciplined for this all, on either side.
 
An interesting culture... 

 >  > True.... We've told the story of how the official make-up/recipe for
 >  > Peanut Butter included shortening and sugar, so if one just sold peanuts
 >  > ground into a butter one had to call it something other than peanut
 >  > butter... And that 2% milk is allowed to use coconut oil to bring the
 >  > fat content up to the requisite 2%....
 >  ML> That's called "filled milk" and is acceptable in some
 >  ML> jurisdictions but not others. It doesn't bother me
 >  ML> (anyone who drinks milk deserves whatever s/he gets),
 > It's why we (Richard and I) don't like to drink 2% (or 1%) milk... we've
 > actually tasted it in there...  Dunno if that's still allowed, but at
 > one point, they didn't even have to label it as "filled milk" or list as
 > an ingredient...  Some of us don't have issues with milk... real milk,
 > anyway.... 
 ML> The taste will vary based on the liquid used to dilute
 ML> and the origin of the fat used to make up creaminiess.

Exactly.

 ML> I myself have filled milk in recipes meant for my own
 ML> consumption to cut down on the number of lactase pills
 ML> I needed to use.

And that makes sense in your case....

 ML> Real milk has taste variations, too, largely from the
 ML> feed used by the dairy but also (some say) from the
 ML> breed of the cows.

That is true.... and also from when the cow is freshening... We usually
taste all those variations, too...
 
 >  ML> but what gets my ire up is that chocolate is now allowed
 >  ML> to contain noncocoa fats in many countries.
 > That's yet another abomination....
 ML> Oh, don't you know it. And it's being countenanced in
 ML> various countries, most notably in Great (or Lesser)
 ML> Britain, where Cadbury and others successfully lobbied 
 ML> to be an exception to European purity laws.

Sigh.
 
 > I've really been spoiled by Wegmans... we've been getting their flavored
 > sparkling waters, non-sweetened, and I've found them a good way to stay
 > hydrated without having other issues... and they now have them
 > conveniently in 12 oz can 12-pks...  Now, up in the North Country, not
 > only could I not find it in that form, the one-liter bottles I bought
 > turned out to have sucralose in them... I opened a bottle and was
 > shocked by a sweet taste... The Wegmans sweetened ones say so on the
 > main label, which these didn't... I'd run out of the supply I'd brought
 ML> That is somewhat strange. Was the terminology at all
 ML> different from what you are used to, and the ingredients
 ML> list, what did it say?

The front label just said (x) flavored sparkling water, and the brand...
I used to get the sweetened ones for MJ, but I don't remember now
whether or not the sweetened aspect was mentioned on the label... I
thought it was, though... I only checked the ingredients list after the
fact, and the sucralose was listed there, along with all sorts of other
stuff.... 
 
 > up with me... I did find a liter bottle today of Poland Spring lemon
 > ("lively lemon" flavored sparkling water, in the cooler case at
 > Nature's Storehouse... that will have to last me until I can get some
 > more Wegmans water, maybe on my daytrip back tomorrow for a doctor
 > appointment I couldn't reschedule.... forgot to take the sweetened
 > waters back into town with me today, in the hopes of getting my money
 > back....
 ML> Poop. Would you know anyone who could use them? Or you 
 ML> could save them for the picnic for an experiment.

The next trip into town, I did take them back, and they did give me my
money back, even on the opened bottle.... so don't need to rehome
them... If you want the experiment for the picnic, I could buy a bottle
for the purpose... (G)
 
 >  >  ML> Sometimes it's interesting, especially when it
 >  >  ML> doesn't get out of hand. There have been 
 >  >  ML> performances that benefited from bizarre levels
 >  >  ML> of nervous tension, angst even.
 >  > If the adrenaline rises to meet the occasion... 
 >  ML> There are any number of factors that contribute
 >  ML> to an effective performance, and producer
 >  ML> satisfaction is not necessarily one of them.
 > True.
 ML> Referring back to Kreisler and Heifetz, Itzhak 
 ML> Perlman says that
 ML> he became the opposite of Kreisler, who would play
 ML> as if saying, "Here's a beautiful tune", whereas
 ML> Heifetz would demand, "You! Listen to this!"

I suppose both ways have their place.... I generally prefer the former,
though.... 
 
 >  ML> Heifetz wasn't relevant to the story and might or might 
 >  ML> not have been dead at the time. I never met the man, 
 >  ML> though I did encounter a niece of his, who unfortunately
 >  ML> looked just like him (didn't play like him, though - only
 >  ML> Erick Friedman and possibly Fredell Lack played like him).
 > Poor child... 
 ML> I believe she became something other than a musician.

Just as well.. 

 ML> There are these two brothers I've known, Danny and Ronny 
 ML> Heifetz, no apparent relation to the supereminent one. 
 ML> Danny became a violinist but luckily had a bunch of talent 
 ML> and ended up concertizing widely and teaching at Juilliard 
 ML> and Peabody, among other places. Ronny was a cellist whom 
 ML> I used to work with but who decided not to go on in music 
 ML> - he ended up a professor at the K-School and is head of 
 ML> some kind of institute at Harvard.

Does he (Ronny) still play for his own enjoyment...?
 
 > ... All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt
 ML> Chocolate is less fickle, as well.

Generally...  

ttyl        neb

... Mary had a little LAMB.  The doctor was surprised.

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