On 2019 Apr 08 20:59:24, you wrote to me:

 ml>> yes, as i've noted in this thread previously

 MK> I must have missed that but now that you bring it up I will start
 MK> paying attention to it.  Usually when I see 8 bit characters I tend to
 MK> think of them as printable such as your cp437 example of 0x8d and not
 MK> control codes. It is easy enough to scan for.

not a problem...

 ml>> so someone using notepad as their editor is breaking FTN
 ml>> standards?

 MK> That isn't what I meant.

i know... i was being facetious 

 MK> All I meant is that 0x8d must not be an approved control code  given
 MK> that if exists in a message it should be ignored.

it should be ignored, yes, as far as processing goes... reader software that
can act on it may still act... the problem there would be the same as forced
wrapping to a certain terminal width... granted, this is not mentioned but we
need to look at the given spec in the same level it was written for... by that
i mean tossers should not mess with it... mailers won't because they don't look
 at messages at that level... so that leaves BBS software and users' readers...

 MK> However the mention of it must have meant that there was software that
 MK> produced 0x8d as soft line feeds or soft carriage returns despite
 MK> there being no indication of what software that was and still might
 MK> be.

true...

 MK> The only reference I can find pertains to c1 codes and IBM,
 MK> specifically 0x85 as a replacement for \r\n which are liberally used
 MK> in MS and DOS-think software to terminate lines.  I am betting notepad
 MK> is one of them that uses \r\n rather than 0x85 ... or 0x8d for that
 MK> matter.

right but again, we're talking about fidonet... not any docs from IBM, AT&T,
USC, RFCs, or other similar so-called ""official"" documentation... remember,
some of the folks in fido's heyday were professional programmers and document
writers... they brought some of that knowledge to fidonet but they also used
their own ideas... the rest of "us" merely followed along and tried to be
conformant to what was written and how it was documented...

i was going to write more and a little better but my meds are kinda kicking in
ATM...

)\/(ark

Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it
wrong...
... Ye didna' tell him how long it would REALLY take, did ye?
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