Hi Holger!

17 Jan 2016 08:56, from Holger Granholm -> Richard Menedetter:

 RM>> I am for example talking about D-Star/DMR/Fusion.

 RM>> There you have 3 possibilitites:
 RM>> 1) talk on simplex HT <-> HT over radio waves (talk around on DMR)
 HG> So far that is OK, but I don't understand what (talk around on DMR)
 HG> is.

Just the DMR Name for Simplex 
DMR assumes you use a repeater. So they call direct HT to HT talkaround ...
it is just a term

 RM>> 3) HT <-> repeater 1 <-> IP <-> repeater 2 <-> HT all over radio
 RM>> except the IP link between the 2 repeaters. Those two repeaters
 RM>> can be seperated by thousands of kilometers or whatever non-SI
 RM>> units you like.
 HG> This is where our opinions differ.

Indeed 
But some people here claim that there are no differing oppinions )

 HG> As soon as you involve an IP link, or any other transport other than
 HG> radio waves, it ceases to be ham radio

For me it is HAM if it is related to my radio hobby.
Including the above usecase and also for example Echolink (at least when there
is at least one real radio repeater involved 

Live and let live.

We have different viewpoints - so what )

 HG> D-Star, DMR and Fusion are communication methods between two parties,
 HG> that don't use radio waves for the entire link.

Not necessarily - see above.
Had many QSOs on the same DMR repeater, where no IP was involved.

 HG> Read also in QST 12/2015 p62 about the future of digital
 HG> communications.

Not everybody lives in the US, or is an ARRL member.
(I assume QST is the american HAM club magazine - anyways in my local austrian
QSP magazine there was also recently an article about DMR and the DV4Mini)

As we speak about that - I assume that the DV4Mini is seen as pure evil coming
directly from hell ))

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 RM>> From MY point of view having the possibility of using option 3
 RM>> does NOT disqualify those technologies as being HAM!
 HG> Neither D-Star, DMR and Fusion qualify as ham radio as soon as they
 HG> use an intermediate transport medium, other than radio waves!

Thank you for providing your definition.

As already discussed mine differs from yours.
I think this point has been sufficiently discussed by now, and does not need to
 be reiterated.

 HG> 73 de Sam, OH0NC

CU, Ricsi

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