03-07-18 13:02 Daryl Stout wrote to ED VANCE about ARRL Requests Expanded HF
Howdy! Daryl,

 DS> @MSGID: <5AA05D7C.1785.amtradio@capitolcityonline.net>
 EV>Howdy! Daryl,

 DS> Hi, Ed...

 EV>I can't remember but back in 1959 when I took and passed the Technician
 EV>Exam to keep my Call Sign active, I'm thinking I took a Morse Code Test
 EV>before I took the written portion of the Exam.

 DS>   Correct. When the FCC was administering the exams, you HAD to PASS
 DS> the CW test FIRST -- or you were dismissed from the session, WITHOUT
 DS> being allowed to do the written exam.

Hey!, Thanks!!!!, I like being correct once in a while, instead of being
corrected all the time.

Sorry about the Typo on Your Name in another Reply.
At least now You know I don't use a Script that makes the second line in
a Reply, only the first line is made by settings I have in MultiMail.

 EV>I can't remember ever taking a test for a Amateur Radio Operators License
 EV>without writing some code down first.

 DS>   In the U.S. and its territories, the 13 and 20 wpm CW exams...plus
 DS> the issuing of new Novice and Advanced Class licenses, were STOPPED on
 DS> April 15, 2000. Holders of the Novice and Advanced Class licenses could
 DS> renew them at the appropriate time. The 5 wpm CW exam (the last one),
 DS> was eliminated on Feb. 23, 2007. Now, people are learning CW because
 DS> they *WANT* to...and NOT because they *HAVE* to.

Last year I tried a Search on DuckDuckGo.com to learn about what You said
about Vibroplex getting lots of orders for Bugs, but couldn't find a link
to anything like that.

Would You have a URL about people recently learning CW because they *WANT*
to? ? ??? ??? ? ?
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     --- in case You were wondering, I'm using Question Marks instead of
Periods and Dashes for the Morse Code symbol for a Question Mark.

 EV>But I may be wrong, I have - many many many times B4 been wrong.
 EV>And 60+/- years is a long period so I could be mistaken about the CW test.

 DS>   Or like a T-shirt I saw once..."I may not always be right...but, I'm
 DS> never wrong" (hi hi).

That saying doesn't apply to me.

 EV>For someone with a Expired Amateur Extra ticket that Element 2 sounds
 EV>STUPID (to Me).

 DS>   Well, there was concern that with a lapsed license, having to get
 DS> back on without taking a test, was "stupid". The FCC determined that
 DS> passing the Technician exam was sufficient enough that they had the
 DS> basic knowledge of items needed. They now require answering "the basic

My reason for thinking it was stupid is that the VEC Organization is asking
a Ham who's License expired to complete a exam for a Class of License LOWER
than the one the Ham had taken for the HIGHER Class License.

 DS> character qualification question" on the NCVEC Form 605...answering Yes
 DS> or No, on whether they have been convicted of a felony, in state or
 DS> federal court. A YES answer is NOT an automatic disqualification...it
 DS> depends on the circumstances. Yet, the examinee has to send to the FCC,
 DS> all required documentation, etc. to the FCC within 14 days of the exam
 DS> session, or the license grant is dismissed...as if they had never taken
 DS> an exam.

I'm thinking on the FCC Form 610 I sent to them asking for the Novice Exam
papers back in the Summer of 1958 asked that question about being convicted
of a felony.

I went to the QTH of a General Class Ham I met in High School to take the
CW Test and passed it.
He wasn't old enough to witness my as I took the Written part so I asked
the Mother of another friend if She would sign on the 610 that She witnessed
me taking the Written Test.
She said O.K. and watched as I took the Novice Written Test.

Some weeks later I got a letter from the F.C.C. with the KN4ZIQ License in
it.

 EV>I Passed the CW portion, Flunked the Written portion, walked out with a
 EV>Temporary Advance Class License until the F.C.C. sent the License to me
 EV>in the Mail.

 DS>   When I first got my license in 1991, there was no FCC ULS. I took the
 DS> test on Field Day Weekend, and it was the second week of August before
 DS> my ticket and callsign arrived in the mail. Now, with the FCC ULS, you
 DS> can get it in as little as 1 to 2 weeks...although I saw one fast
 DS> turnaround...the ham passed Elements 2, 3, and 4 (Technician, General,
 DS> and Amateur Extra) in one session. The exam session was on a
 DS> Saturday...his callsign was in the database the following Wednesday!!

Computers do Paper Shuffeling faster that a Clerk can do it at the F.C.C.
Office, don't they? ? ??? ??? ? ?

 EV>There were lots of things in the Amateur Extra exam I took that I had
 EV>no idea about.

 DS>   I learned how to tell where the voltage was leading or lagging the
 DS> current, and that's all I remember.

That is one I didn't know, I would guess the Voltage Leads the Current,
otherwise the Current wouldn't have anything to cause it to flow.
DUH!!!!!!!!!!!

 EV>I never took another Ham Exam.

 DS>   Every year when I do my rent recertification, they ask me if I'm a
 DS> student. I reply "the only exams I do now are giving ham radio license
 DS> exams...and undergoing medical exams and procedures". Along that line,
 DS> I'm getting a "two-fer"...an EGD (upper GI) and a colonoscopy (lower
 DS> GI) on Friday the 13th of April. It'll be "lucky" for me, in that:

 DS> 1) I'm long overdue for both -- it has been over 3 years.
-snip-
3 years is about the same time span as the Doctor that does mine has Me
come to see Him.


73 de Ed W9ODR .    .

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